Group 1
Group 3
Group members: - Nuwagaba Justus, Leonard G. wambui, Christian Mumpa,
Daniel Kabuya, Rono Nicodemus and Chanikya Kodati.
Here we shared about the awesome mystery which all of us had it in
many different ways. Some of the points which we shared are as follows
Christian Mumpa expresses the awesome mystery as something which we
can’t see or don’t know. He gives the example saying if we do some
action, it is not really done by us but there is someone who pushes us
to do that act. He calls it as external invisible power.
Daniel Kabuya shared his past experience of driving a car on a rush,
busy and jammed road. At a certain point near the signal he parked his
car behind the lorry waiting for the signal to go. Suddenly he found
the lorry which was in front of his car started coming backwards it
came so close to the car and that’s it; he didn’t know what happened
to him. He turned car so fast and afterwards he found himself safe and
secure. He didn’t know what happened to him but he experienced someone
pushed him to do that action. He shared that he was frightened and
terrified. He also says it is difficult to explain the experience he
had.
Rono Nicodemus shared his experience as a hostel warden. He says that
there was a boy in the hostel who was healthy and active. He was just
like normal boys eating and playing but he doesn’t used to go for the
second call. For 2 weeks and 3 weeks that boy didn’t go for natural
second call, they had taken him to the hospital but the doctor said he
was alright. Days past but no result, they had send him to his house,
again there he had gone to another doctor who prescribed some
medicines but there was no use. The incharge of the hostel who is a
priest was praying for him but there was no result. He (Rono
Nicodemus) says that it was awesome mystery which led all of them
towards evil.
Leonard expressed that it is something which grasps or attracts ones
attention. And he explained it in Latin saying “Mystirium, trimendum
et facinas”.
Nuwagaba Justus has concentrated on the religious experience which he
had in the past and by using examples from the Bible like St. Paul and
Elijah.
Since I was taking the minutes, I have summoned up everything said by
our group members, i.e., we do believe that we can’t do things by our
own there is an unknown knower who moves us, who guides us. But very
few times we realize such power. Yet times we are afraid, frightened,
surprised, etc because we don’t know what happened in a particular
movement. This experience doesn’t stay long, but for sure they leave
some impact on our lives. We experience but we can’t explain it in our
language. All these things are beyond our knowledge to know them.
Secretary: CHANIKYA KODATI
Group 6
Group
one: Martin Mwenda 12056T, Paluku
Mulyandada Godefroid 12138T, Majone Romao 12052T, Andrianoromandimby Jean Loc
Herve 12111T, Ssekweyama Rocco 12146T and Nsa Charles Ndibowiy 12054T (secretary)
Sitting
today for group discussion on question 6, we both realized that we have both
been caught by a sense of awesome mystery. We shared different experiences yet
each was unque according to each individual. According to some members of the
group, it awakened a certain feeling of joy, hope and attraction but for
others, it was a terrific experience which they wouldn’t like to have again.
There was a kind of mixed experiences which also brought a sense of wonder.
This example was so glaring that we would like to share. It is the example of
someone’s call which we termed “awesome mystery.” Many questions arise, why
does one not Marry? What brought one here? Yet it is difficult to answer. This
leaves us with mixed feelings. A series of “whys” are asked for example, why
me; why priesthood? Especially when one’s friends are successful and one even
goes to the extent of questioning if one is in the right place, yet one stays.
Incredible isn’t it? This type of feeling comes especially in a retreat or
recollection. One is switched on and off between likeness and unlikeness, fear
and excitement.
Comment on The Idea of
the holy by Rudolf Otto
In
this analysis of religious experience, the awesome mystery is foundational. It is
different from other human experiences for there is a mixed creature feeling of
attraction and fear. There is overpoweringness. It is a fascinating but
frightening mystery. It is a mysterium
tremendum. Tremendum can be understood if we go back to the old law to meet
Moses in the burning bush. There is an element of ‘shudder’ in ghost stories.
The tremendum makes us see the
holiness of God. This leads to an element of overpoweringness, the element of
energy or urgency. It is active and compelling.
This
is a mystery we can not fully comprehend. A God comprehended is no God, he is
so overwhelming- the wholly other. Although he is not wholly comprehended, our
feelings can be an essential aid to make us contemplate Him. It is daunting as
well as fascinating.
Group 2
On the aspect
of “awesome mystery”, a member
pointed out that he experienced ‘mystical power’ when he received the sacrament
of reconciliation. He noted that after this spiritual encounter, he felt
overwhelmed by some power he could not actually give a specific name or tell
its origin. He experienced a sense of relief in that some burden had been
released off his shoulder. He got some healing and his burden was lessened.
Another member
shared his experience of some power during his retreat. There was a general
feeling of spiritual transformation; newness of life and a rejuvenation. It was
a meeting with the ‘Unknown’.
There was a
general consensus that most members seem to encounter some unexplainable
‘feeling of the unknown’ during Eucharistic celebration. There are some feeling
mysterious union between our human element and with the Divine; a very
spiritual dimension.
Other members
shared that in the event of attending Ordinations or Final Professions, there
seems to be an encounter with some ‘awesome
mystery’. This was so specifically during the chanting of the litany of
saints. Something Divine reaches our hearts.
Being
Africans, we also acknowledged that some of these powers have also been
attributed to the evil one especially in cases of extraordinary natural
calamities. Those that are always negative in their effects towards the well
being of the community. They disrupt the harmony within the society.
In most
occasions, common feelings that engulf us when we experience these ‘awesome mystery’ are those of: Fear,
anxiety (spiritual), happiness, peace (of mind and heart), confusion (because
of lack of understanding), and revolt especially if the experience tends to
ignite some negative emotions or thoughts in us.
The effect is
that these experiences always turn our mind to think of that Supernatural
Being; in a sense it provokes our spiritual search/quest for it (the
Supernatural Being) seems to be our only source of consolation and
comfort.
Reading the
text ‘The fascinating and awesome
mystery’ (which was actually long), Otto (a German Theologian), asserts
that “a human encounter with some “Mysterium
Tremendum” ( Latin; awesome mystery) is the foundational experience in
religion. This awesome mystery is usually described in religious tradition and
scripture as “holy”- “set apart””. (p. 23, of the lecture notes). In a sense
this experience makes us be aware of the “numinous’, the divine spirit. It
awakens in us what Otto calls a “creature-feeling” characterized by both
attraction and fear.
For Otto, it
is this fascinating as well as frightening mystery which always remains
external to the human person that the name/word ‘GOD’ has been ascribed
to. Its experience may come with some gentle tide, presenting the mind with a
tranquil mood of deepest worship. But when it dies, the soul retains its normal
state of nonreligious mood.
As a concept, ‘mysterium’ denotes something hidden and
esoteric; that which is beyond human conception or understanding, extraordinary
and unfamiliar. While awe denotes natural emotion of fear; “fear” that is
beyond ‘fear proper’. (Exodus 23:27).
In conclusion,
our experiences of the ‘awesome mystery’ actually take us to the level of
relating with God with some fear. Otto calls it ‘perfect fear of God’ since it
comes with some elements of acknowledging the ‘wholly other’, ‘overpoweringness’
and energy, and that is the power and presence of God. (REPORT BY: SAMUEL APONDI)
Group 3
Members:
Respicius
Kweyambe, Benjamin Juana, Cipriano Sapalo, John Michael Alibu, Rainu Ram,
As
regards the question of been ‘caught’ by a sense of ‘awesome mystery’ some of
the members were at a loss concerning its meaning in relation to their personal
experiences. Some in between certainty and uncertainty as to whether or not
some of their experiences could be classified as having a dimension beyond the
ordinary. However, the following are the contributions made by the members
·
One of us sees it as a hard question to answer
in the sense that it is somewhat unclear. He feels he is not equipped with the
capacity to discern whether or not it is an invincible power. He is hesitant to
make a hasty conclusion that a particular experience is from God or of a
supernatural origin.
·
Another related an experience of once being
fascinated by the beauty of the cloud illumined by the sun rays to the point of
remaining there admiring such site for about an hour. For him this singular
experience was so unique that it has remained a reference point in his life,
especially in times of hardship and sorrow. Mention is also made of experiences
in which he had achieved certain goals against all expectations.
·
Two of the group members were sincere enough to
confess their inability to link any of their experiences with the
extraordinary.
·
Another speaks of the very first ordination mass
in which he participated as a young mass server. This had an unexplainable
effect in his life and serves as one of the reasons why he is here with us
today, on his journey to the Priesthood.
·
Finally, the last person speaks of a dream he is
convinced is the earliest experience he remembers in his life. As a child of
not more than four years old, he finds himself inside a church all alone, but
with a big celebration outside and people celebrating, but he is alone inside
looking at the portrait of Jesus. Suddenly, the Jesus comes out of the picture
and they begin to talk. While talking, they go out of the church and pass the
people without being noticed, and they keep going until the sound of music and
celebration fades away… everywhere white.
Suddenly,
Jesus says “ok, why not go back now, i will come back to take you LATER.” Of
course, the little boy refuses and uses his small hands to hold Jesus’ big
fingers tightly, but Jesus only smiles, looking at him. Everywhere was dark
again; the little one had woken up with tears in his eyes.
He
is convinced that some of his unclear life’s experiences have only made sense
in connection to that dream which for reasons unknown to him, has remained
fresh in him memory. Today, He is sure that Jesus never actually left
him that night.
Group 4
Members shared that they had been ‘caught’ by a sense
of awesome mystery which one way or the other has affected and transformed
their lives. The following were captured during the sharing:
A member shared an experience during a spontaneous
prayer meeting –where he ‘deviated’ in the course of the prayers and ended him
falling down unconsciously when he was being prayed over by the leader of the
prayer session. He has come to believe that some of the things that happen at
charismatic prayer meeting are true.
Another shared his experience before the Blessed
Sacrament –when he heard an inner voice (God) in his moment of doubt. This has
motivated him to be sharing with people his experience of the Divine any time
the need arises, and has come to believe also that people do experience the
Divine.
One also said his life has been transformed due to the
inner peace he has been experiencing in his heart. This can be traced to an
inter-continental meeting he attended—where many people were to share a small quantity
of food. Initially, he was at unease, but in the process, he experienced some
inner joy, and since then, this experience has remained with him.
Another member has come to believe that faith of a
believer results in miracles. This was as a result of prayer session that his
Parish Priest (who was by then busy) made him have with some Faithful who were
experiencing some problems. Though he belittled himself during the prayer
session, the faith of those faithful resulted to their problems being vanished
completely.
A member also shared an experience with some group
before the Blessed Sacrament where a friend doubted the presence of Christ in
the Blessed Sacrament and ended him (the friend) falling and trembling on the
floor as soon as the Blessed Sacrament was raised by a priest to bless the
people. This has helped deepen his faith in the ever-presence of Christ in the
Blessed Sacrament.
Reading and commenting on the text, “Fascinating and
Awesome mystery”, we summarised that each and every person at one point in
his/her life experiences something which in a way helps deepen the person’s
faith. This is because as one encounters such an experience, he/she now comes
to realise more about the presence of the Divine (God) as Rudolf Otto
summarises in Mysterium Tremendum.
Minutes written and sent by Isaac Amponsah-Boateng.
Group 5
| Chanikya Koda |
Daniel Kabuya, Rono Nicodemus and Chanikya Kodati.
Here we shared about the awesome mystery which all of us had it in
many different ways. Some of the points which we shared are as follows
Christian Mumpa expresses the awesome mystery as something which we
can’t see or don’t know. He gives the example saying if we do some
action, it is not really done by us but there is someone who pushes us
to do that act. He calls it as external invisible power.
Daniel Kabuya shared his past experience of driving a car on a rush,
busy and jammed road. At a certain point near the signal he parked his
car behind the lorry waiting for the signal to go. Suddenly he found
the lorry which was in front of his car started coming backwards it
came so close to the car and that’s it; he didn’t know what happened
to him. He turned car so fast and afterwards he found himself safe and
secure. He didn’t know what happened to him but he experienced someone
pushed him to do that action. He shared that he was frightened and
terrified. He also says it is difficult to explain the experience he
had.
Rono Nicodemus shared his experience as a hostel warden. He says that
there was a boy in the hostel who was healthy and active. He was just
like normal boys eating and playing but he doesn’t used to go for the
second call. For 2 weeks and 3 weeks that boy didn’t go for natural
second call, they had taken him to the hospital but the doctor said he
was alright. Days past but no result, they had send him to his house,
again there he had gone to another doctor who prescribed some
medicines but there was no use. The incharge of the hostel who is a
priest was praying for him but there was no result. He (Rono
Nicodemus) says that it was awesome mystery which led all of them
towards evil.
Leonard expressed that it is something which grasps or attracts ones
attention. And he explained it in Latin saying “Mystirium, trimendum
et facinas”.
Nuwagaba Justus has concentrated on the religious experience which he
had in the past and by using examples from the Bible like St. Paul and
Elijah.
Since I was taking the minutes, I have summoned up everything said by
our group members, i.e., we do believe that we can’t do things by our
own there is an unknown knower who moves us, who guides us. But very
few times we realize such power. Yet times we are afraid, frightened,
surprised, etc because we don’t know what happened in a particular
movement. This experience doesn’t stay long, but for sure they leave
some impact on our lives. We experience but we can’t explain it in our
language. All these things are beyond our knowledge to know them.
Secretary: CHANIKYA KODATI
Group 6
MEMBERS
Christopher
Nkole, Pawl Gabrys, Joseph Mmasi, Bartholomew Senewo, George Michira and
Anthony Musonda (secretary)
Question
Six
In August 2012, George
suffered from a dangerous disease. This disease was very painful and he was
very much worried because, he was about to prepare for novitiate. To make the
situation more burdensome, before commencing the novitiate he went for more
medical examinations. The test was to ascertain whether the disease was healed
or not. The disease was not cured; George continued to pray to God for healing.
However, one day George
went to pray in the chapel, as he was in a state of prayer grazing at the crucifix
of Jesus and recalling what he read in a spiritual book about the person who
suffered from the same illness like his. Many thoughts ran in his mind,
suddenly he had an encounter with God. He experienced the “Mysterium Tremendum” or in other words his religious experience. He
felt the deeper encounter with the Lord and from that moment, he was filled
with great joy and hope.
There after, he went
again for medical examinations, this time George was very much terrified with
the results, which he was anxious to receive. Considering the fact that, he
desired so much to continue with his vocation to religious life. The medical
results came out fortunately, it was negative and George thanked God for his
miraculous healing.
The feeling was that of
helplessness before the presence of God almighty. It was the feeling of total
submission and readiness to serve God, as the way of saying thanks to God.
It was a positive energy, in the sense
that George was encouraged to have hope in God. Furthermore, he encountered God
as a person.
Comment
God becomes the
ultimate centre of our lives, only if we have a deep personal encounter with
him. The Germany Protestant theologian Rudolf Otto uses one of the
characteristics of religion. The “creature-feeling” when we have an encounter
with the Transcendent Being (God) we experience what he calls “Mysterium Tremendum” a pleasant
experience. Enjoying the presence of God, on the other hand we experience
another feeling of unworthiness, which brings about the state of “fascinans” this feeling is the kind of
desiring to continue experiencing the presence of the Holy (God). Finally, we
experience powerlessness or nothingness before the Transcendent Being (God).
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